# 1
I don't know the name or address of the guy who got the big fawn mantle, I have not heard from the people who took the fawnequin bitch. The fawn bitch is in Spartanburg but I haven't heard from them in months and I have never heard a peep from the people who got the black boy. Two puppies died before they were ready to go, and the other black male died shortly after they vaccinated him from HOD. Since the litter was not registered, I did not keep the required litter records. ### None of those puppies were sold to anyone. They all were given away.

The two puppies she claimed died before they were ready to go are 2 harlequin bitches..........they did not die. The black male did not die from HOD.

# 2
"I could have the opportunity to recuperate some of this money with Bee's breeding but Bee's CO-OWNER and BREEDER does not want her name associated with the breeding, so even though I DO NOT NEED SANDY'S APPROVAL OR HER SIGNATURE to register the puppies and end up giving them away, and by doing that, I give up any chance of getting any money that will help me with my dog related bills which continue to be $6,900."

Magda DID register 4 of those puppies ILLEGALLY AND WITHOUT MY APPROVAL. She signed litter papers for 2 Harlequin Females and 2 Black Males.

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From: "Magda Aguila" aquiline@statecom.net
Date: Thu May 10, 2001 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [WholeDane] other list discussion on health problems

Health to me is an energetic, robust dog with clear eyes, clean teeth, outstanding muscle tone, clean, slick coats, strong bones, healthy skin... that can still act like a PUP at 8 plus years of age.

#### I know.. I have a harle that is 8 1/2... he is the picture of health! He is solid muscle, can play and run at the same level as my 6 months old pups and will breed any bitch that will stand in front of him for 30 seconds! He used to have low thyroid at age 2 and was on soloxine for about 2 years... 6 months after being on barf, the soloxine was stopped and he has continued to test thyroid normal (with Jean Dodds) every year since...

M

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

He was a little over 6 on May 10, 2001. He was whelped February 15, 1995. His sire, V Beau's Ol' Blue Eyes My Way, aka Frank was whelped 5/14/1993 and would have been 8 on 5/14/01 so Harley could not possibly have been 8 1/2 as she claims. That would make him older than his sire. As far as him "breeding any bitch that will stand in front of him for 30 seconds", this is probably TRUE but Harley was not a registered Great Dane so why would she let him breed these bitches?

I also have an email she posted to another list dated 9/17/01 in which she states Harley was almost 9......He was almost 7.

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From: "aquiline"aquiline@statecom.net
Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 10:19 pm
Subject: Introduction

Hello everyone!

I have been breeding harlequin Great Danes for 12 years. Two years ago I started a fawn line also. I am on 5th generation totally non vaccinated and barf fed kids.

Right now I have Harley, a 7 yo harle male,
THIS IS NOT TRUE !!
Harley was 5 1/2 on this date.
2/95 - 7/26/00.

Floyd, a 7 yo male,
THIS IS NOT TRUE!!.
Floyd was 4 years old. 8/8/96 - 7/26/00.

Bee a 2 1/2 yo fawn female,
THIS IS NOT TRUE
Bee was 3 yrs old - 5/20/97 - 7/26/00 .

Maddy a 1 yo harlequin female
This is correct.
Bee's daughter whelped 6/3/99 - 7/26/00.
and Irish, an 8 month old harlequin female. All of them, except for Bee and Irish were bred by me. I am a paralegal by necessity and a classical homeopathic and nutritional consultant by love. I am thrilled to see such a large group getting together and of course, am VERY happy that we can start getting some variety for the kids and the savings of $$$... I live in Greenville, SC and have a son in Atlanta, so I do travel down there fairly often. Great to be here!

Magda Aguila
Aquiline Great Danes
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultant

"Thanks for the comment. Actually I'm hoping to up date that one page. I have my domain and I am hoping to have a REAL webpage sometime in the next 2-3 months. The harl head is one of my males. His mother, Aquilines Avitar V Elysian is out of CH. Manatasquots James Taylor X BAK's Gracie Allen V Beau (V Beau is my old kennel name). Gracie was a Ch. BMW Graffiti daughter. His father Ch. Kramers the Dominion who has some of Michael Chiles lines. He has done some nice producing for me, when bred to my bitches. I don't have him at stud to outside bitches. His youngest daughtest, Maddy will be in the ring this summer and fall, as soon as I can get her over the "I want my mommy stage! LOL. He is a sweetheart".

THIS EXPLAINATION ABOUT THE DOG IN THE PHOTO IS NOT TRUE !!!!.

That is Harley in that photo. Harley actually was sired by V Beau's Ol Blue Eyes My Way and his dam was Daneboa's BMW Normandy and his daughter that she was referring to is Aquiline's Iron Maiden known as Maddy, one of the Bee/Harley puppies who is illegally registered.

I know this is Harley. I have boarded him more than once for Magda. I have also been to Magda's trailer. Fawn puppy is from Bee's second litter whelped 12/15/99. Harley & Bee lived with Magda in S.C.. Floyd lives in Fl. not in the same trailer with Magda and this puppy.

# 7
From: "aquiline" aquiline@statecom.net
Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: [CHC] Request for Names...

Katie,
I have been breeding Great Danes for almost 20 years.

(THIS IS NOT TRUE.)
Magda bought her first Great Dane in 1988 from Barbara Kooper - "Gracie" B.A.K.' Gracie Allen V Beau. First litter whelped in 1990 or 1991 which is 10 or 11 years - NOT 20 years.)

How would she know?.....she never xrays her dogs!!!! The only tests she does is thyroid - her own words.....see message below 1/10/00. Magda has lost a lot of Great Danes to Parvo Virus.......puppies and adults. That is not what most people would consider HEALTHY.

Magda Aguila
Aquiline Great Danes
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultant
http://www.danesonline.com/aquilinegreatdanes.htm

She bought Gracie in 88 and didn't have another dog until she bred her three years or so later. What crap. She didn't get involved in homeopathy until Barb and I got involved because of Laura. She never even heard of it. Lies, lies, lies! It's absolutely amazing!

A (Ann Skyler Corbett)

Gracie wasn't even born in '87. lt wasn't until '90 that Laura got Barb and me started. I can't believe that witch.

A (Ann Skyler Corbett)

Dakota Danes
Chris and Lynn Mehrer
dakotadanes@vcn.com

Jan 10, 2000
Magda wrote:

Oh, as to tests, I know I have tested Bee for thyroid. That is all I test for. I truly belive tha tif the thyroid is functioningwell, then, other things like HD and Cardio are not a problem if the dogs are not vaccinated.

These puppies are 2nd generation non vaccinated on the sire's side and 3 generations non vaccinated on Bee's side.

THIS IS NOT TRUE.
1st Generation-Sire: Von Shrado's Piece of the Rock.
10/20/98 Distemper Vaccine
10/27/98 Parvo Killed
7/21/99 Distemper Vaccine

2nd Generation-Bee's dam: Von Shrado's I am Saffron
6/29/95 Rabies Vaccine

Bees mother and father have been thyroid tested and x-rayed.

THIS IS NOT TRUE
Bee's dam has never been x-rayed. I should know, I own her. She has had 1 litter of puppies and the only one in her litter that was ever bred was Bee.

Magda

From: "Magda Aguila" aquiline@statecom.net
Date: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [WholeDane] Re: Lifespan

My friend, and list member, Donna Kranzberg, just lost 2 of her danes last year. One was 14 and the other one was 17. They both died of old age. These were her own bloodlines, and I forget now what her foundation was. I know that Irena's dogs live to be ripe old ages too, but Irena can answer that better than I can! :)

M

THIS IS NOT TRUE

When I spoke with Donna Kranzberg in August 2001, I am not sure of the exact date but it would have been a few days after the weekend of August 19th, as this was the day Donna told me that Magda had put Harley to sleep. We were talking about age in dogs and she said,

"I had 2 dogs put down last year. A 12 year old bitch I got from Sandy Masters, a brindle bitch we hoped that would be showable." She told me her face was swollen and when she took her to the vet, he found cancer of the mouth.

The other bitch, Demi, a bitch she bred to Fridge was 14 when she put her down.. I have postive proof of this conversation !!.

They were 12 and 14, not 14 and 17 as Magda stated.

Pam, I think that this is one of those idiocincracies for some lines. My Bee is almost completely white at 5 (but her mother's brother was also at a very early eage) and many of her ancestors turned white very early. As long as she is healthy and full of vitality I wouldn't worry about it too much.

M

THIS IS NOT TRUE

Bee's mother's brother is my Ch. Von Shrado's Sommersby and he did not turn white at a very early age. When he passed away at 7 years, 11 months, he had some graying on his face but was not at all white as she claims. You can see pictures of Sommersby (On my website) taken at age 3 and if you take a look at his picture from the front, you will see the slight graying around his nose. He was not white at a very early age and was not white the day he died. Neither did many of Bee's ancestors turn white at a very early age. Magda does not know my line of Great Danes. Magda has quite an imagination. !!!

From: "aquiline12000" aquiline@statecom.net
To: WholeDane@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WholeDane] Re: Breeding Issues
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:46:35 -0000

Hi Vicki,

Let me give you my personal VERY painful experience. As you know, I have not vaccinated any of my harles for 5 generations. I got my first harle from a Fl breeder but she was out of Ch BMW Graffiti and at the time she was born ('87)

THIS IS NOT TRUE

BAK's Gracie Allen V. Beau, Magda's first Great Dane was whelped 6/28/1988. Sired by Ch BMW Graffiti x Ch BAK's Hesper V. High Acre and was bred by Barbara Ann Kooper. Magda has had 4 generations of harlequin Great Danes not 5.

Laura was beginning to question vaccines after her horrible experience with a Parvo vaccine. In 1996 a breeder friend who owned one of my bitches, bred her to a Texas Champion. While I was not happy with the breeding, I took the pups I had coming from my bitch (who at this point, was my second generation). NOT ONE PUPPY IN THAT LITTER HAD A NORMAL THYROID. In those days, I was feeding Back to Basics on a modified BARF diet. I thought (foolishly enough) that my dogs were as healthy as they could be and that my dogs were among the "elite" of healthy dogs (especially for harles). I kept a beautifully marked, very nice bitch that did very well in the puppy classes and as a young bitch. Her sister was bred (again, on a breeding contract, where I was a co-owner) and the pups came to me at about 7 weeks. I did not know the pups had been exposed to Parvo. The whole litter came down with Parvo 9 days after I got them and for over 4 weeks I had pups getting sick, fighting the disease, getting better some, a couple died, before the whole thing was over with. While the rest of my dogs were fine, (including my Fawn bitch Bee who at the time was 4 months old, my beautiful 27 months old harle bitch came down with parvo and I lost her in less than 12 hours. It was devastating to me and a blow to everything I have always believed in. During the hard process of grieving and re-evaluating I realized that "modified BARF" was NOT a proper diet. This bitch had a normal - low thyroid and dead food was not what she needed to be in optimum health. She taught me a valuable lesson. She is the reason I dumped the "good quality" kibble. Since then, I have had 5 more litters. All of them barfed. Not ONE case of Parvo. Many times, dogs that are not totally healthy cannot handle our decisions to do things half-way. For these dogs, it is ALL or nothing.

If she is barf fed, she should be. But if she has received vaccines in those years, her health has been compromised and vaccines really affect the reproductive system! Again, I breed a bitch when I find a suitable stud. I have a harle bitch that will be 3 in June and I still haven't found the right male for her. So, she may or may not be bred.

The above harle bitch that she has and will be 3 in June 2002, is Maddy, Whelped 6/3/99 and is the daughter of Bee/Harley.

No, it is not the genes, but the HEALTH. Genes are affected by diet and vaccines. I have a very well known fawn line. My bitch has always produced big healthy litters. However, there are many bitches with her same breeding that keep being bred and never produce. What's the difference? HEALTH! my bitch has never had vaccines, has always been barfed, heck, she hasn't even had nosodes! Her relatives some of them have been fed mediocre kibble on and off most of their lives, some of them have been vaccinated. It is the whole package that brings health.

Magda

THIS IS NOT TRUE - READ THE TRUTH BELOW.

Magda owns one fawn bitch, Bee. Magda forgets to mention that Bee had 3 puppies die from one litter of 8 (Bee's 3rd Litter) and in her 4th litter of 3 puppies, none lived. That is not what I call big healthy litters. Not one bitch with Bee's same breeding has EVER been bred. Bee was in a litter of 9 - none of her littermates were EVER bred. Bee did have Nosodes!! I should know, I gave them to her!!! My Von Shrado Great Danes have been fed BARF since 10/1/99. I fed a partial BARF prior to that and the kibble I fed was Precise which is one of the best quality dog foods (not a mediocre kibble) and one that Dr. Martin Goldstein recommends in his book, The Nature Of Animal Healing.

Aileen,

#### And as a breeder and owner of for over 30 years I can tell you that neutering is not always the best solution. In the recent past I had 3 intact males. They all got along well, except when bitches were in heat... and then they would join in their serenades! The ONLY dog I ever neutered was perfectly healthy and vibrant at 8+ years of age. He never recovered from the surgery and I lost him 3 months afterwards. I know for a fact he would still be alive, had I not chosen to get him neutered to "keep the peace" with the young males and make my life easier! I will NEVER again neuter a male, unless I was forced to for other reasons.

M

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

The dog Magda is referring to is Harley and he was just 6 1/2 years old (2/15/95 - 8/18/01) when she put him to sleep the weekend of August 18, 2001 which was 1 week after I confronted Magda about her illegally registering the puppies that Harley sired out of Bee. Was the timing just a coincidence? I do not know what she has been breeding for 30 years but it was not Great Danes.

----- Original Message ----- From: Amy .
To: WholeDane@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WholeDane] Re: neutering

Magda you mentioned your boy was older, do you feel if he was younger he would of been okay?

HI Amy,

I have taken that into consideration, but although he was almost 9, he never acted, moved, looked a day over 3 years old. And I had another male (way back) that was younger (4) and went thru pretty much the same thing...

M

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Again Harley was just 6 1/2 years old (2/15/95 - 8/18/01) when she put him to sleep the weekend of August 18, 2001. Repeating a lie over and over, still does not make it the truth.

I had heard inuendos that I had stolen Bee while Magda was at the National in October 2001. If you look at Lie #11, Dated 12/4/01 (After the National) She speaks of Bee in the present tense, "My Bee is almost completely white." I do not believe Bee was ever stolen.

See lie #12. Again she is speaking of Bee in the present tense and dated 2/22/02. Magda never mentioned on her WholeDanes list that Bee had been stolen until months after the "supposed" theft.

Here is her post dated 4/21/02 - 6 months after Bee was supposed to have been stolen:

From: "Magda Aguila" aquiline@statecom.net
To: WholeDane@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WholeDane] Stolen...???
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:21:31 -0400

HI Vickie,

When I went to Nationals, my son stayed here with the dogs. Because Bee was known to be harsh on the other bitches I asked him not to put her outside together with the girls. He put her outside last thing in the evening before going to bed. After about 20 mins he called her and she wouldn't come. He went to the back looking for her and the gate was opened. The neighbors across the street saw a light colored Van with tags from a neighboring state driving away from the cul d sac by my back yard about 5 minutes before my son went out to look for her. Unfortunately, the neighbors did not take down the tag #. The person who did it knows Danes and Bee knows this person. I have a very good idea of who did it and why... It was done out of revenge, spite and self-serving lying intentions. Luckily, Betty has been able to communicate with her and wherever she is, she is in a home and she is OK. Thanks to Betty (once more!) I have been able to handle this in a more calm and rational manner. If Bee had been hurt, I'd probably be in jail by now.

M

The "Betty" she is referring to, is Betty Lewis.
The story above about Bee having been stolen was a total fabrication. She was given away.

We do own a light colored van, it is silver in color and my license plates are N.C. and Magda lives in S.C. which is a neighboring state. Bee does know us. We are her breeders, we have boarded her for Magda and she was with us on 2 separate occassions for several days when she was being bred. We did not steal Bee and I can prove it!!!!! Fortunately for me, my van is a business vehicle and I keep a log of the miles traveled and my van never left my premises the week of the National 2001. There was never a trip from N.C. to S.C. and back at anytime in 2001 nor 2002. Though Magda did not name Jim and I in her accusation she insinuated it was us and she is lying. I truly believe in my heart that she put Bee to sleep when the AKC began their investigation and Bee was of no use to her anymore after being bred 4 times in 2 years and the puppies in her last litter from another "accidental" breeding were all dead.!!!!